On Judgement and Divinity

Anis: Who's the judge? The judge, the judge.

Jennifer: In our work room, the judge can be any host of people that is actually-

Anis: It has to be people?

Jennifer: No. The ah, ah, partner that is impeding the craft of the dancers development. Creative development.

Su-Feh: But why do we assume that the judge impedes?

Jennifer: Cause I just see it physically, I just see it physically that the flow of the impulses are always checked. They're checked. I'll see them wanting to go somewhere but they'll check. And often, when we actually deal with the partners, it leads to violence.

Anis: How do you put this? It's, it's a performance that is void of that human presence, but it is for the gaze, what you call judge of the spiritual presence. How would you relate that in the same context you argued? You know, how would you place that?

Jennifer: Um, I experience that quite differently and there's a woman I've been studying with named Judith Koltai who teaches Authentic Movement, and she's been doing this practice for thirty years. And so, she actually comes and does what she calls, hold the room. And she's the only one with her eyes open. And she holds the room, she watches you and we admit that she is going to watch us. And the places she takes us through us dancing with our eyes shut, I would say is the eye of the divine.